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(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
hi,

i hope i'm welcome on your cool forum.
some of the topics i saw (tried to read, but that didn't work :wink: ) looked really amazing, nice job.

i wanna build an oxyboxer and i have checked VWMorten's page a 1000 times now. i have a DJ case, but nothing else. Does anybody have any parts for me like a 76mm crankshaft? Or machined 94 cylinders like Morten used?

Thanks,
Diederick
(permalink) Mette Administrator
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
Hi Diederick,

Of course you are welcome here. Jesper Danborn is probably the guy you need to talk to. How ever he is on his way to Bug Run in Sweden now, so have patience he'll be bak to assist you after this weekend.
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(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
cool!

i emailed him last year as well, when i still wanted a wbx, but i didn't really like all the plumbing it was going to take.

i'll wait for his return, unless anybody can help me :wink:
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
do many people on this forum have oxyboxers by the way??

do you guys perhaps have some specs for me?

thanks,
Diederick
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
I'm working on my first oxy at the moment... http://www.gearheads.dk/nuke/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=15501

What specs do you need?

Duus
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
cool duus!

i checked out your project yesterday, it looks very very neat! 8)

yeah, i was wondering what specific parts you're using for the engine, so i can see what i need. like a second opinion next to VWMorten's parts.

what do you use for cooling? a porsche fan or sth else?
(permalink) Duus Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
I plan on using std. welded fan widt modified cooling tin(because the case is wider)

You can use a type 1 crank http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=54657
- but if you want to use flanged crank or T4 center main you will need to make a special bearing like Rocky does: http://www.rockyjennings.com

I use scat lifters in bushed bores. If you have acces to a lathe you could make the bushes yourself - but an easier way would be to buy a set of ultralight lifters with bushes http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=ECV0021&cartid=0608200590319427

If you want to use smaller cylinders or want the 94mm to get full sealing surface you will need adaptor ring(you can get them from Rocky).

If you need more info, just ask, or look at: http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewforum.php?f=37&sid=6a54790fcb3658aa9e73fe844c15afab

Duus
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
wicked duus, thanks! 8)

you're helping me big time!!

do i really need to machine the 94mm cylinders like morten did on his site?

cheers!
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
i always thought that the shoptalkforums were about bits and pieces, now i just gotta get the puzzle together.

i don't really get how to insert for example a T1 82mm race crank from CB performance... all the line boring and everything. perhaps you can explain that better?

such a shame i got a DJ case without a crankshaft...

as far as the lifters go, they are quite pricy but they look like good quality and i assume i have to get the T4 sleeves?

p.s. it might sound weird but can i get the waterjackets off with DIY tools? although i probably have to get the headstuds relocated professionally. is there anymore machining to do?

thanks!
(permalink) Duus Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
There is two types of wbx cases, the early ones with the number 025xxxxxx and the late ones with 025xxxxxxB written on the side of the sump.

If you got a early case, then you must get a adapter bearing like the one Rocky makes. This i quite hard since he does not sell them onless you buy a complete block!

If you have a late case it is much more simple. You need a set of wbx bearings and a set of T1 line bore bearing with .040 1mm o/s od. with a 1mm .040 o/s thrust. You use the T1 1mm line/thurst flywheel barring and the rest of the barrings are WBX and then assemble as you would a T1!
To make the flywheel oil seal fit i think you would have to make a spacer/bushing.

yes if you want to go with ultralight lifters you should use the T4 sleeves. If you are going to run a very mild cam you could just go with std. T4 lifters...

I don't think you can get around cutting the cilinders unless you plan on running CR 1:3 :o

I'd cut the waterjackets with a hand held grinder, and them machined them. You don't have to do the machining, i did it just for the sweet look.

There will probably be more machining to do, but it depends on how you want engine... Which cam, crank, lifters and cylinders will you be using?

Duus
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
[quote:5678dfdd2b="Duus"]There will probably be more machining to do, but it depends on how you want engine... Which cam, crank, lifters and cylinders will you be using?

Duus[/quote:5678dfdd2b]

Duus, thanks a lot for the fantastic response i am learning a lot here :wink:

To answer your question, i have no idea yet. I am not planning on spending thousands and thousands of Euro and i would want to keep it a little simple, and i guess obtain 120hp?

So perhaps you have a suggestion?

Cheers!
Diederick
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
To get 120 hp I would go with a wbx 76mm crank(if you can find one),94mm cylinders, std. conrods or I-beams, 044 35x40 heads, a mild web cam with std. solid T4 lifters, Dual 40mm carbs.
By using stock crank and T4 lifters you keep machining to a minimum.

You could swap the 94mm cylinders with 90,5mm... a lot of people consider the 90,5mm better for high mileage - but then you have to buy/make adaptor rings...

Duus
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
wicked my man! :wink: this is good advice! i have 2 more exams to go and then i go home and check out my just bought wbx case :)

so i guess that by using different parts i could go far over 150hp?

anyhow, this looks pretty good! and i take it you mean dell'orto 40mm?

how about the gas mileage with such an oxyboxer cos i read that a guy on the dutch forum with his 2.7 liter Remmel type4 needs 30 liters for 100km 8O

ciao,
Diederick
(permalink) Duus Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
Of course you can get 150hp... It just depends on your budget 8O
You can get lots of good info about which parts to use at http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewforum.php?f=15&sid=b512e1ea7b395c7db826ec7b89dd9589

And about the gas mileage, you'll tell me when it is done!(I have no idea)

Duus
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
how about:

76mm reground WBX crankshaft with I beam 5.4 rods
standard WBX bearings (??) and stock 215mm type 4 flywheel
Mahle 94mm pistons and cylinders (gotta get them machined somehow :roll: )
Engle 120 cam with standard T4 lifters and SCAT aluminium push rods
044 heads with 40mm and 37.5mm valves (i'll do the porting following Morten's guide
009 distributor
40 mm Dell'orto carbs
type 1 fanshroud (what kind to make it fit??)
what exhaust?? 1 1/2 or 1 5/8?
and everything i forget (tell me if i forgot vital elements :o

this leaves me with the following machining on the case:
- removing waterjackets (using a handheld grinder)
- relocating headstuds (how much does this cost??)

Duus, how did you machine the last part of the waterjackets cos it looks great?!
Do i need to clean the case after grinding because a lot of metal goes into the case right? how do i do this? or should i use tape before grinding?

cheers!!!! 8)
(permalink) Duus Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
[quote:ad14bd8c98="Anonymous"]how about:

Duus, how did you machine the last part of the waterjackets cos it looks great?!
Do i need to clean the case after grinding because a lot of metal goes into the case right? how do i do this? or should i use tape before grinding?

cheers!!!! 8)[/quote:ad14bd8c98]

Before cutting the waterjackets you should clean the two parts of the case perfectly... when you're done with the machining you'll just wash all chips off. Be sure that you dont get chips in the oil channels to lifters and cam/crank bearings.
I did the machining on a milling machine - If you have acces to one it is rather easy.

I would use a 1 5/8" merged header.
I dont know if a w120 would work with solid T4 lifters. You could ask Farmer(or wait for him to answer)...

Duus
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
all right, so what do you clean with and what do i wash the chips of with? i once heard diesel can be used for cleaning 8O

how do i get farmer to answer the question? :wink:

so, the rest of the setup was good Duus? i only forget the SCAT 1:1.25 ratio rockers...
(permalink) dennis_rol Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
[quote:875cea1757="Anonymous"]how about:

76mm reground WBX crankshaft with I beam 5.4 rods
standard WBX bearings (??) and stock 215mm type 4 flywheel
Mahle 94mm pistons and cylinders (gotta get them machined somehow :roll: )
Engle 120 cam with standard T4 lifters and SCAT aluminium push rods
044 heads with 40mm and 37.5mm valves (i'll do the porting following Morten's guide
009 distributor
40 mm Dell'orto carbs
type 1 fanshroud (what kind to make it fit??)
what exhaust?? 1 1/2 or 1 5/8?
and everything i forget (tell me if i forgot vital elements :o

this leaves me with the following machining on the case:
- removing waterjackets (using a handheld grinder)
- relocating headstuds (how much does this cost??)

Duus, how did you machine the last part of the waterjackets cos it looks great?!
Do i need to clean the case after grinding because a lot of metal goes into the case right? how do i do this? or should i use tape before grinding?

cheers!!!! 8)[/quote:875cea1757]

you can try to call me i can help you with questions

Dennis_rol :wink: 20647505
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(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
unfortunately i live in the Netherlands...

do you see anything wrong about the specs? or the lifters? please tell me over the forum or email me at died_zeel@hotmail.com

Duus, since i need to get those headstuds done professionally, perhaps i also get those lifter things bushed or something. i guess type 1 racing lifters are safer in the end, right?

p.s. please answer the question about the cleaning as well :roll:
(permalink) Duus Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
[quote:7f192f1725="Anonymous"]unfortunately i live in the Netherlands...

do you see anything wrong about the specs? or the lifters? please tell me over the forum or email me at died_zeel@hotmail.com

Duus, since i need to get those headstuds done professionally, perhaps i also get those lifter things bushed or something. i guess type 1 racing lifters are safer in the end, right?

p.s. please answer the question about the cleaning as well :roll:[/quote:7f192f1725]

I think that the w120 with 1:1,25 rockers would be too hard for the std. T4 lifters to handle - but you really should get somebody with more knowledge to answer this... http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=84075

About the cleaning just buy some engine/carb cleaner liquid. The diesel may also work, but I havent tried it. http://www.shoptalkforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=77948&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cleaning&start=15
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
but Duus, an alternative would be those SLR lifter with T4 sleeves (does this need machining??)

what are you doing with the lifters in your topic?? you are machining them from the inside of the case??
(permalink) Duus Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
I use scat T1 slr lube a lobe lifters 8O

You can also get T4 lifters which have been slr coated, but I dont have the knowledge to tell you which cams they would work with.
Farmer once told me that if i wanted good power and still keep the T4 lifters, a good choice would be slr T4 lifters with a web 163(between w110 and w120) - I would go with that combo if I had kept the T4 lifters.

Because of the higher lift(web 86b) and the thickness of the "lifterhead" I machine the case to the right cam/lifter clearences.
[img:8c68c5b64d]http://www.student.dtu.dk/~s031928/camclear2.jpg[/img:8c68c5b64d]
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
ah, so if i get the T4 SLR and a W120 i wouldn't have to machine the case?

any idea where to get them online?

cheers!
(permalink) Duus Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
You can get them at: http://www.aircooled.net/new-bin/viewproductdetail.php?keyword2=ECV0015&cartid=0616200562626893

I dont think that the T4 slr and w120 combo would require machining.

Duus
(permalink) Anonym Member
Skrev for 19 years siden | | | |
ok, and these cheaper than the other ones you showed me. those lightweight lifters.

i'll start enquiring about the machining next week. do you have any idea how much it is going to be? the waterjackets and the headstuds (i don't need anything else do i?)

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